“The conditions that we are confronting are extreme, and anyone suggesting that we should basically live with those conditions because it costs too much to some people for us to change course, or suggest that a slightly greener version of what we have now is acceptable — those are extreme arguments. They’re leading us down a very extreme and destructive path. And in the face of that we have to argue for something wildly different. We just can’t continue down this course, and I don’t think we need to apologize for wanting something radically different.”

Hannah Holleman has written a book re-examining the history of the dust bowl within a global context of colonialism and ecological destruction in the face of capitalist agriculture. It is well worth a listen, and emphasizes the humbling fact that the issues we face are not new. They have been known about for at least a hundred years, and the industries that profit from ecologically destructive modes of production have simply continued in the face of them.

We suggest folks in Carbondale listen to this interview with Hannah Holleman about her book, Dust Bowls of Empire: Imperialism, Environmental Politics, and the Injustice of ‘Green’ Capitalism, (Yale Univ. Press, 2018).

Listen to the podcast here.


[Required Listening is a series of blog posts pointing to podcasts and interviews that are inspiring the Carbondale Spring. We believe that the problems outlined and approaches described by these scholars and activists need to be heard by people in Carbondale to seriously address the challenges we are facing. Check out our previous posts: #1, #2, #3]